Where art thou?

HERE’S A FUN quiz, making The Unseen Moon sort of like a ladies’ magazine. They’re often full of quizzes that appeal to the womenfolk, especially when the quizzes have to do with men, sex, apparel and hairdos.

New ImageMy quiz, not surprisingly, is a political test. It’s very short, and it’s reportedly quite accurate in pinpointing where one sits in the great scheme of political life.

The quiz allegedly has been taken by 23 million people.

I think of myself as very conservative, and left-wing passersby, some of whom had to be eventually blackballed here for lack of class, have been fond of calling me a right-wing nut, fascist, Nazi and, of course, the ever-popular racist!

Fact is I’m just a regular guy who believes in liberty and being left alone and, it turns out, more libertarian than Nazi.

In light of this, I have changed the category line of Right-Wing View that appeared above all headlines here on political issues to Libertarian View, which is more accurate though it does not get the collectivists lathered up as nicely as the right-wing label, and that’s always been such fun.

You’ll find the quiz on this page.

Here are my test results. Feel free to share yours.

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Enjoy Valentine’s Day, which is sorta my 14th anniversary.

72 thoughts on “Where art thou?”

  1. 40 Personal; 80 Econ. I’m somewhat of a rightie. Interesting that you’re more center. I thought I’d be more center. We’ll have to discuss this over a cafecito in a month or so,

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    1. Mike: Yep, it is interesting. I found it while nosing around the bio of Bruce Bawer for yesterday’s item. Apparently, the test has been around over 15 years, which explains the incredibly high number of test-takers.

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      1. I thought I recognized the quiz. I took it about 10 years ago and was very right conservative then. Obviously I have “evolved” as I reached my 70s. I wonder what could account for that?

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    1. Loulou: Ah, the left weighs in! Thanks. It’s good to have balance. Yep, no surprise on your score.

      By the way, your comment went first to the moderation pile because you had a typo in your email address, and you were not recognized. I fixed that.

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  2. Felipe,

    I’m one little box to the left of you, 70 pers. 60 econ., yet you consider yourself conservative, and I consider myself liberal. I guess the problem is that you don’t understand what a liberal is. It’s someone with liberal views, sort of what you would call a libertarian. All along you’ve been thinking properly, but describing yourself incorrectly. I think you were a Canadian in a prior life, but moved south to escape the cold, and I can’t blame you for that.

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    1. Kris: You’re not even close to the liberal zone on this test, so I suggest that if anyone is confused, it ain’t me, bub. I’ll accept either the libertarian or conservative label joyfully. But I’m no lefty, though I once was … till I wised up.

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        1. Kris: You are quite correct. That’s what it was and still is to some people. With that definition, I’m a classic case. However, what’s happening these days in the U.S. under the banner of liberalism/progressivism, something most flagrantly visible on elite campuses and large swaths of the Democrat Party, is socialism or worse and it is not, by any means, dedicated to allowing people to do as they wish as long as it doesn’t hurt others. It is quite the opposite.

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          1. I think we have the same thought there. Give a person a hand up, not a hand-out (some look at welfare as a career choice). Promoting one ethnic or cultural group to the detriment of another, as you point out, is in my opinion racism, even if that group is a minority. Canada is not free of that distinction. We live under the veil of a bilingual English/French society, but the minority French sector is the one imposed on the rest of the country. I have long been a proponent of the philosophy that if a language needs government intervention to exist, it is not needed.
            When bilingualism comes up, I claim to speak two languages that are useful in the western hemisphere, English and my failing Spanish.

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  3. Oh, oh, my personal is 80 and Economic is 90, so it looks that I am pretty extreme looking to your followers, but I know that already!

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    1. Bob: You’ve always seemed to have a good heart. I think traditional lefties do, for the most part. I simply find it unrealistic. You still rooting for Hillary as U.S. president there from your Canadian snowbank?

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      1. Leaning more to Ole Bernie these days. Hillary will make it, but she seems to want to be on both sides of the coin. I don’t think there is much of a comparison to the Canadian political spectrum and the U.S. Different mindset, different values. As I said before, when I rode down through middle America, and in the small towns, the mindset wasn’t so extreme. There was careful analysis of both sides. We have almost the same negativity with our new prime minister as some of the populous in the U.S. had with Mr. Obama, and negativity is never good. There is always something people can be positive about, but it is so much easier to be negative.

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    1. Clete: No surprise there. Since you indirectly labeled me a Nazi yesterday and not in jest, I suppose I can, in jest, label you a Bolshevik. By the way, I’ve been in Cuba. If you have not, I recommend it to you. You might find the lack of commerce, the drab buildings, the depressed people to your liking.

      Or not.

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    1. No, I haven’t been to Cuba. But I was in China prior to its liberalization. I have also lived here since the ’70s. That decade and much of the ’80s was the extreme socialist period of the PRI where even the price of soft drinks was controlled. That is a Mexico you never experienced. So, yes, I have some experience with both socialist and communist countries.

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      1. Clete: Your comment was a reply to Connie, which was not your intention, of course. No matter.

        So, you’ve been in Red Communist China and were here during the PRI oligarchy, and it appears all that is okay by you.

        To each his own. Incredible.

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        1. Exactly where did I say that all was okay? I never insinuated that in the least.

          There is a world of difference between the communist China of the ’70s and present day Denmark. A country that has practiced social democracy for decades.

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              1. P.S.: Another pertinent characteristic of the Scandinavian nations is monoculturalism. Historically, diversity has not been their thing, to put it mildly. Within each nation, they all look alike, talk alike, think alike, etc. This is, of course, how nations should be, and how nations best function. Alas, they have bought into the PC mindset that diversity is good. Sweden, for instance, is currently suffering a severe case of buyer’s remorse after inviting in hordes of Mohammedans who are not fitting in at all and are creating huge social and crime problems. I cannot help but chuckle at this.

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                1. Yes, and the white ruling class in the U.S. has historically been against immigration either by race or religion. If you weren’t a white Protestant you were viewed as inferior. The Irish Catholics were the Muslims of the 19th century. Maybe your very own ancestors were viewed as a scourge.

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  4. I landed smack dab in the middle. That surprised me. I was also surprised that someone defined “liberal” as allowing every one to make up their own minds on issues. I thought that was the essence of conservatism. Liberals march people off to central Asia to dig canals or to die in Siberia.

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    1. Señor Gill: So you’re a Middle Man. That surprises me too. Clearly, how we see ourselves can differ from reality, assuming the test measures accurately. As for Liberal meaning letting others make up their own minds, etc., that is the old definition. With much of today’s Democrat Party, it does not apply anymore even though they do love the word, that and Progressive, another misnomer for them these days. They are far superior to conservatives when it comes to PR and manipulating words.

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  5. Felipe:
    Here’s my score:
    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
    Your ECONOMICS issues Score is 50%
    I’m classified as a “centrist.” And you should note that my score isn’t all that far off of yours. So please stop calling me a “collectivist.”

    And I had issues with the last question, “Cut taxes and government spending by 50%.” Since one of the biggest budget items is what people like to call “defense,” (though it would be better called “state-sponsored aggression”) that implies a 50% cut on that line item. Is that conservative or liberal? (I suspect cutting spending 50% scores as conservative, but conservatives don’t like to cut “defense” spending.)

    And given our spending problem and massive debt, cutting each side would still leave us in a hefty deficit-spending position. Would that be liberal or conservative? Personally, I think we need to cut spending more than we cut taxes so we can begin to achieve some kind of fiscal balance over time. Is this liberal or conservative? Frankly, I’d even support tax hikes so that we can restore fiscal balance. Fiscal balance is considered conservative, but actually levying taxes to pay for programs these days, oddly enough, is considered liberal. This makes no sense to me.

    So I think this quiz is, as you allude, is “ladies magazine” quality. Moreover, it further perpetuates the dysfunction in American politics where everyone is running around talking about who’s a member of which club, and completely ignoring actual policies. Right? Has any policy whatsoever been discussed on this page?

    Well, I’ll introduce a couple here. They reflect the fact that I think America’s long-running fiscal imbalance is problem #1. First, raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to about 78 years old. In conjunction with this, raise the monthly benefit in order to make people feel like they are getting something in return, though this would really be a massive benefits cut. However, it would massively improve the federal govt’s fiscal position and put SS back on the actuarial basis where it started. Policy #2. Send NATO members a bill for about $200-300 billion for their share of the costs of maintaining Pax Americana from which they benefit so much. Use America’s military might to enforce payment. Why should American tax payers foot the entire bill?

    With the savings from #1 and #2, pay down the national debt.

    How’s that for actual (and probably WILDLY CONTROVERSIAL) policy. Is that liberal or conservative?

    Discuss.

    Saludos,

    Kim G
    CDMX, México
    Where we’re pleased to hear Trump admit that maybe Planned Parenthood does some actual good.

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    1. Kim: You voted not once but twice for Weepy Barry, so you’re a collectivist by definition. Embrace it! I harbor some slight collectivist sentiments too, and I’m not embarrassed about it. You shouldn’t be either. As for your being a centrist on the test, you’re on the very left tip of the centrist box, holding on for dear life. Don’t try to pass yourself off as one of us.

      Raise SS payments to age 78? Are you daft? That’s about the average life expectancy in the U.S. People would get their first check and fall over dead.

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      1. Felipe: Getting your first check and then falling over dead is how SS started. In 1933 65 was the life expectancy, and plenty didn’t even make it that far. If you’re any kind of a conservative, you should be opposed to a state-sponsored end-of-life 20-year vacation. Do you seriously support having a third of the population on the dole?

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        1. Kim: SS age of 65 sounds about right to me. What is needed is means-testing and a drastic reorganization of the system. Currently, it’s full of fraud. Medicare too. Bottom line: government runs things poorly, and the longer it runs anything the worse it gets.

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          1. Means-testing makes social security a welfare program, not a retirement program, and with that, popular support would vanish. As for “age of 65 sounding about right,” I don’t know how you get to that. Take a 40 year work career, save 15% a year and then have 20 years of retirement? How do the numbers possibly work? Especially given that the money isn’t invested; instead it’s used to paper over a much-larger operating deficit of the rest of the federal gov’t.

            Also if you means-test, you set up a perverse incentive for people to NOT save, (something that’s bad) and also create an incentive for people to, say, give their assets to their kids, i.e., open the system to even more fraud.

            I’d suggest you think hard about this problem, because it is one of the big ones, and “sounding about right” isn’t going to lead you to the appropriate policy decisions. Nor is repeatedly reaffirming your particular club membership. Alas, solving this problem will require real math, and some real changes.

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            1. Kim: Since many — likely most — SS recipients, due to living longer, now receive more than they ever paid into SS, it’s already a welfare system. Many recipients do not realize that, which is why so many think it’s just their money being returned to them.

              As for 65 sounding about right, it sounds about right because it applied to me! Actually, I starting collecting at 62, and that really sounded right.

              As for “thinking hard,” hey, I’m living a life of leisure.Thinking hard has no appeal. Now go out and enjoy the day.

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  6. You both are wrong. What we need to save Social Security is keep the government’s hands out of the till. Money paid in to the system should be for retirement benefits only, not for flaky disability claims. All day, these despicable lawyers advertise on the television that they can get people on to disability. We need to get rid of the leeches.

    Since so much of the money collected for Social Security has been stolen we ought to ban transfers to the general fund.

    Also, we need additional revenue. I suggest a national lottery for the benefit of Social Security. Additional taxes will be built into the price of a product. This causes inflation.

    But a lottery ticket is a new product and that will not increase inflation.

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    1. Señor Gill: TV lawyers offer to get folks on disability? Hoo-boy. I don’t recall that going on when last I lived in your sad land. Maybe. The five years up there before I moved over the Rio Bravo I did not own a TV.

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      1. Lucky you! Television now is all crap and lies. Did you see the way the moderators in the last Republican debate pitted one candidate against the other?

        Justice Scalia was found dead with a pillow over his head, and they still didn’t do an autopsy. I smell a rat.

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        1. Señor Gill: I do not watch debates. Easier to just wait till the next day to see what my trusted news sources (Breitbart, Fox, etc.) say about it.

          Now don’t work yourself into a frenzy over Scalia. I too sleep with a pillow over my head often enough.

          Speaking of presidential debates, my favorite moment of all time was during the 2012 debate when Newt Gingrich cleaned John King’s clock:

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    2. How much money do you think a lottery would really raise? Many states already have well-established lotteries. How do you get people to spend even more on lotteries than they are now spending? And is that really a moral way to provide for people’s retirement?

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  7. I like Newt, and I am sorry he is out of politics now days. I also liked the Bushes; I thought they were decent people. But Jeb Bush turned into a rat the way he attacked Marco Rubio. Someone in Texas is giving bad advice.

    I liked Rick Perry also, until he turned negative in the last election. I don’t know who is advising these people, but they ought to be taken out and shot. And I mean gut shot, so that they suffer terribly.

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    1. Hi, Old Bent. I thought you’d run off and left me. Glad to see that’s not the case. You’re just a quiet sort. Yes, this topic has been fun — and informative too.

      Something entirely different coming mañana.

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