Totalitarian thug?

One of the best-run nations now is Hungary. But because it refuses to open its borders to illegal aliens, it has incurred the wrath of globalist leftists. The dimwitted Joe Biden referred to Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbàn as a “totalitarian thug,” a phrase he does not apply to actual totalitarian thugs such as Xi Jinping, the dictator of China.

Orbán occasionally drives himself around Budapest with no security detail. What sort of totalitarian thug would do that?

I admire Hungary and Orbán. I would love to live in Budapest, a beautiful city. Tucker Carlson recently flew to Hungary to interview Orbán. Here is part of it.

30 thoughts on “Totalitarian thug?

  1. I wonder if Carlson is considering his future options. Couldn’t blame him. He’s a good man, wants to protect his family.

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      1. Yeah, I remember that. He is also regularly accosted by lunatic leftists.
        He should pack his bags and take his family to friendlier confines. Maybe he would start a trend. 👍

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          1. He could still do the show. He could have incredible guests and as well view the States from a more cosmopolitan perspective. And he would be in self-exile. Again, for him it might be a plausible answer. I know I’ve got my plans to deal with this sinking ship of a country on a personal level.
            Each one of us has to make the best decision for him or herself based upon their situation.
            And the situation is dire. 🙄😳👎💩

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  2. It’s not what you see on Fox. Hungary is a beautiful country that is being stripped of its democracy. Orban and his Fidesz government has restructured the constitution, made the courts part of the executive branch, eliminated almost all free press, feeds the people propaganda in the state-run media, and restructured election laws that make it impossible for opposition parties to campaign or win. These are just a few that came to mind as I write.

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    1. John: You should stop reading the New York Times. You came from good roots. You came to America and somewhere along the line you arrived at a crossroads and took the wrong route. I urge you to backtrack before it’s too late.

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        1. Apropos of our discussion below, I did decide to take the time to read the Wikipedia entry on Hungary. John is not the only one alleging what he’s alleging:

          On Transparency International’s 2019 Corruption Perceptions Index Hungary’s public sector has deteriorated from a score of 51 in 2015 to 44 in 2019 making it the 2nd most corrupt EU member at pair with Romania and behind Bulgaria.[142]

          Following a decade of Fidesz-KDNP rule lead by Viktor Orbán, Freedom House’s Nations in Transit 2020 report reclassified Hungary from a democracy to a transitional or hybrid regime. [emphasis added by KG] According to the report, “the right-wing alliance… has gradually undermined the rule of law in Hungary and established tight control over the country’s independent institutions… [it] has steadily rewritten the Hungarian constitution, and eliminated democratic safeguards statutorily embodied in the Constitutional Court, Prosecutors Office, Media Authority, and State Audit Office…”. It also limited parliamentary oversight, independent media, non-governmental organizations and academics, while consolidating power around the central government.[143]

          Note that Orbán has been prime minister since 2010.

          Is the above some kind of definitive answer to our discussion? No. But it does point out that your favored source here supports John’s position. And it also supports my main point: we all need to be quite skeptical and not dismiss things out of hand simply because they came from the NY Times or a a side of the political aisle that we may not like.

          Cheers,

          Kim G

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          1. Kim: Wikipedia is hardly my favored source, but being the leftist fount it has become you’d think that would be where the worst take on this fellow would be found. I read the Wiki page on Orbán this morning — it was the Hungary page I read yesterday, not his specifically — and he does appear to be something of a hard-case. I do not fault that because the Left has honed “hard-case” down to a baseball bat, and they wield it mercilessly around the globe. Orbán is also a hard-case, but in the other direction, and I am with him on most all of it. He is a nationalist. Me too. He is a very devoted Christian. I am not, but I’m on their side. He opposes all the transgender nonsense. I’m with him. Due to the Christianity, he’s not onboard with the gay thing, which is where we part company a bit. I am neutral. You, understandably, are not. Orbán is decidedly not PC, which is excellent. We need more like him.

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          2. Kim, P.S.: And does Orbán play a little loose with law and the press? Looks like he does, but not to the extent the Democrat Party in the U.S. is attempting to do.

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            1. After all of the breathless chatter from the left during the Trump administration about “normalizing” things, or finding things “problematic,” and believing (only to be contracted by subsequent events) that Trump would ignore the Supreme Court, it is beyond horrifying that there’s nary a peep out of them now that Biden has specifically and blatantly ignored a Supreme Court ruling on the CDC’s rent moratorium. And the Dems in Congress are just cheering him on. It is appalling and leads to nothing good at all.

              None of this, by the way, excuses Orbán either. Rule of law is one of the cornerstones of democracy, and we ignore it at our peril.

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              1. Kim, PS: And HR1, the House bill that appears to be dead in the water now, the comically named “For the People Act,” was nothing more than a blatant attempt to nullify the GOP forever, guaranteeing Democrat election victories permanently. The open border is intended to do the same in another manner.

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                1. Kim: “For the Democrat Politicians Act” would be more accurate. And as for your mention of Freedom House’s and the Corruption Perceptions Index’s negative reports on the Orbán government, it’s good to keep in mind the incredible spread of the woke mindset to institutions. The U.S. military, for God’s sake. The Nobel Committee and so on. Point being that who can you trust these days with the rampant politicizing of most everything?

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                2. I literally don’t trust anyone, especially politicians. As you know, I used to lean left, then I leaned right. Now I think they’re all a pack of rateros, and I have an eclectic range of political opinions which don’t fit neatly into either side. And I’m not alone. Trust in American institutions has collapsed. The left thinks it’s Trump’s fault, while the right thinks it’s the left’s fault. I think Trump pulled back the curtain, and anyone who cares to see can now see it. And while it’s left-dominated, the right also has taken its part. For a long time I’ve believed in the “uniparty,” which is basically the ruling class. Sure, there are scuffles over irrelevant things like transgender bathrooms, but on all the big stuff (budgets, removing freedoms, eternal war), they are all in agreement. The problem with the left/right divide in the USA and everywhere else is that it makes people stop thinking. How many do you know on either side who simply refuse to even listen to the other side? If that’s where you are, you are right where your party wants you. They assign you your opinion, but you think it’s your own. I’m trying to free myself from that, and let me tell you, it’s a lot harder than it sounds.

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                3. Kim: One more thing. You mentioned that Carlson’s interview with Orbán was hardly an example of “hard-hitting.” No, it was not, but keep in mind that Carlson is not a journalist. He is a commentator. It’s different.

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                4. Indeed, you are 100% correct. But the entire thesis of your post was that this one interview absolved Orbán of the criticisms of being a totalitarian thug. Whatever else it may have done, that interview did absolutely nothing to disprove the things that John, and many others allege against Orbán. Yes, it was interesting. But aside from immigration (on which both you, I, and Orbán agree) it touched on no other controversies, never mind put them to rest.

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    2. John: At times, I’m a little slow. Blame it on age. Why this did not occur to me yesterday is a mystery. You claim Orbán is stripping Hungary of its democracy, that he feeds people propaganda in the state-run media and has restructured election laws to make it impossible for opposition parties to win.

      Let us pause to look at your Democrat Party in the United States. First, there is HR1 whose primary purpose is to gut the GOP and insure Democrat victories forever. Thankfully, that is sidelined for now. There is the lying about voter ID, making it a race issue. Without voter ID, fraud is easier for the Democrat Party. There is the ongoing flood of illegals crossing the southern border and being shipped inland with as little fanfare as possible. The Democrat Party assumes these will be Democrat voters, and that’s likely correct, especially if no voter ID is required. And last but not least was the voter fraud in the last presidential election that now has a senile old Democrat who did not win sitting in the Oval Office. As for Hungary’s state-run media, much of the MSM acts as a state media in the U.S., and it feeds people propaganda daily.

      If indeed Orbán is thwarting democracy in Hungary, he should tune into your Democrat Party for plenty of pointers and fresh ideas. He’s a rank amateur in comparison, a piker.

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      1. Touchè, señor!

        You may be getting a little slow, but you still possess your veritable marbles! That was a profoundly insightful and succinct takedown of a ludicrous comparison between Hungary and the United States. I most especially appreciate the fact that you refer to those Hooligans as the “Democrat party” and that the “Democratic” party is simply ridiculous and false on its face.
        Well played, senor, well played. 👍

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        1. Marco: John did not compare the United States with Hungary. He simply took me to task for posting something positive about the president of his former nation whom he considers a no-goodnik. And who knows? Perhaps he is a no-goodnik. But attempting to undermine democracy is a far more serious issue in the United States, and the Democrat Party is the culprit, and John is a Democrat.

          He’s not a bad egg. Quite the contrary. He simply is politically misguided as, it seems, are 90 percent of people in the news media. John is one of my former coworkers on the Houston Chronicle.

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              1. You are a better man than I, señor. However, I am always capable of improvement. I shall temper my overly enthusiastic observations.

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  3. Well, a couple of thoughts. First @john above could well be right. I saw that interview on YouTube, and while I’m somewhat favorably disposed, or at least have an open mind, it did not fail to occur to me that Orbán is telling you exactly what he wants you to hear. And Carlson didn’t exactly grill him about any of the controversies John mentioned. So I’m not sure that the interview changes my particular viewpoint one way or other. (As an aside, I saw an interview of Syria’s Assad, Jr. a few years back, and he came off as totally reasonable, and supportive of his people. Maybe that’s the case; maybe it’s not. But these folks don’t have to submit to hostile interviews, and mostly they don’t.)

    On the “immigration” stuff, I’m totally with Orbán. I see no reason countries have any obligation to take in any foreigners they don’t want. If such a policy is so odious, then why do the Japanese get an entirely free pass on the topic? Yes, they’re an island, so no one just traipses in, but they actively keep foreigners out. And even if you were born there of foreign parents, you are still considered a foreigner and treated differently. But I digress.

    Orbán has pushed laws that prohibit any teaching of anything related to homosexuality to minors. I have more trouble with that one. Sure, even though I’m a gay guy, I don’t think schools should be trying to indoctrinate children into my own lifestyle, or indeed, indoctrinate them into any particular lifestyle or ideology. But no matter how “family-oriented” your society, laws, and culture might be, homosexuality is deeply inherent in some of us, and can neither be impeded nor imparted. Ya are what ya are. Sure, a state or culture can terrify gays into pretending they are something they aren’t. But what does this do beyond ensuring that that some poor heterosexual ends up marrying someone who can’t properly love them? But is that really good policy? Unleashing closet cases onto unsuspecting (mostly) women? I don’t think so. Worse, it seems to be the most odious possible infringement on a core human right to be what God made you. I can think of no more illiberal policy.

    As for the other points that @john brings up, if true, they are indeed worthy of condemnation. But as you, Felipe, rightly point out, if we’ve learning anything in the past five years, it’s that whatever gets written about often has only a loose attachment to what we used to call “the truth.”

    Saludos,

    Kim G
    Roma Sur, Mexico City
    Where my rights to make snide comments about the government are legally repressed.

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    1. Kim: “…whatever gets written about often has only a loose attachment to what we used to call ‘the truth.’ ”

      Is Orbán not perfect? Who is? Like most of the world, I pay scant attention to little Hungary most of the time, but how it’s given the finger to the open-borders mob puts a broad smile on my face. Hungary is doing it right, no pun intended.

      As for what John says about his native land, I did some internet sleuthing. Even Wikipedia, a known leftist website — so much so that even one of its founders recently criticized it harshly — has none of what John claims. In Wiki’s section about Hungary’s recent history, it states “Hungary was impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic. In March 2020, the Hungarian parliament passed a law granting the government the power to rule by decree, suspending by-elections and outlawing certain forms of medical disinformation. Parliament rescinded this law on 16 June 2020.”

      I remain a fan of Hungary, and its smart approach to things.

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      1. Unfortunately, I cannot trust Wikipedia one bit about anything even remotely political. (Read the entry on Ann Coulter some day if you want to see a true hit job.) And Orbán and Hungary fall squarely into that orbit. I get your point that Wikipedia is left-leaning, and so whatever they say about Hungary is the worst possible thing. But that’s no guarantee, and I’m not going to pretend it is. Right? That thing could have been edited by an Orbán supporter right before you read it, and then re-edited right after by someone in BLM. You literally have no idea, and unless you do your own work, it’s worse than useless.

        Open mindedness and skepticism are the only way forward. The more I know, the more I try to avoid opinions on things that I truly don’t know. The overall merits of Orbán fall into that category. On immigration, I’m with him. On other stuff? I have no idea, but I’ll be skeptical. The stuff about gay rights I’ve read specifically in various places, and I don’t think it’s consistent with a free society.

        While we tend to think the entire left is a bunch of screaming loonies, that thinking will inevitably lead to error just as much as thinking all conservative-leaning folk are a bunch of gap-toothed, ignoramus, racists. So I’m inclined to believe that criticisms of Orbán are not entirely baseless, nor derived solely from his positions on immigration and gays. I could be wrong about this, but that’s where my skepticism leaves me.

        Anyway, I have an open mind, but frankly don’t care enough to dig in and find the details. Whatever is going on in Hungary, I am of the belief that the EU is too meddlesome in member states’ internal affairs. My main point is that the Tucker Carlson interview wasn’t at all hard-hitting and thus should not count as some kind of absolution.

        Cheers!
        Kim G

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